What if St. Pastry Order came to be AFTER the fall of the Vanilla Kingdom? (Evidences of it so far)

Firstly, let's do some important stuff and establish the timeline and place.

If you notice, Doughael is praying in what's possibly the ruins of the Vanilla Kingdom with candles lit.

The place is atleast near the kingdom/around the raisin hills where he meets Pure Vanilla too

Since Pure Vanilla Cookie's hair is completely fine and clean unlike how disheveled and unclean it later became, this encounter must be in his earlier days as Healer.

So their ties def go a long way back.

Now interestingly.. Pure Vanilla Cookie used to be offered candles as well if you look at the Timeless Kingdom Sprites as well.

If you notice the candles in particular... Do you see something similar amongst these pictures?

This leads me to believe Doughael here was praying for or perhaps to Pure Vanilla himself which is why he instantly knew who Healer was and specifically came to the Raisin hills:

What's more interesting is, he seems to also take up the role of a Prophet.

Does this imagery seem familiar?

And ONE VERY INTERESTING FRAME

Look at these:

Right after the middle frame, his eyes lit up as he opened them almost like...he found his purpose.

This leads me to the theory, after the horror of Dark Flour War and the fall of the kingdom.. not all denizens of the Vanilla kingdom left for Creme Republic and some stayed behind for multiple or personal reasons just like Custard's grandfather holding onto hope of PV's return

This hope was carried on by many cookies as even in present day, you can find pilgrims searching for Pure Vanilla as he was truly a beloved figure.

But what the older pilgrims say…may come off as what they witnessed after-war.

That they didn't see a lively place for ages.

And after Pure Vanilla Cookie's death, the remaining population of the Vanilla kingdom who stayed despite the war...didn't have anything to hold on to for even their last hope, their beacon and hope, Pure Vanilla Cookie died himself.

This leads me to the belief, in those trying and painful times of hopelessness and helplessness, Doughael cookie emerged. To rally the masses closer to their faith and the teachings of Pure Vanilla Cookie

However...with a twist to them.

It is a common fact that War often drives people to be superstitious or even very religious for it is easier to believe in a Higher Existence's fate design than accept the man-made disasters and horrors of reality Perhaps Doughael simply took advantage of that fact.

Doughael might have come with good intentions BUT the path to hell is often paved by good intentions.He also refers to his followers as "Flock" and guess who is known for his love for sheep and was a shepherd?

I believe Doughael's ultimate interest was in seeking the divine truth and who could provide him that other than the Beacon of Truth himself? Perhaps that is why...he modelled it after Pure Vanilla cookie himself... In efforts to revive him...

This is why you keep seeing parallels between Pure Vanilla Cookie and AOD: "the Avatar of Destiny", the deity whom the Order reveres too deeply to the point of sacrificing their very soul even when in doubt

The Members need quite a lot of mental gymnastics inorder to justify this madness even as you can see here: They aren't ready to end it all mentally but will do so because they have been brainwashed into thinking it's the higher cause.

This is where the "All dough shall be one" ideology comes in.

For after the war, seeing the different suffering for different people.. Doughael might have come to the conclusion if everyone was one...then the pain would be one and none as well.

To share the burden of pain.

The highest form of kindness.

A twist to Pure Vanilla Cookie's teaching which is:

After the death of Pure Vanilla Cookie, his words, his teachings, even his image itself might have been twisted to fit the narratives or mentality of the masses of the time. Not too unlike our real world itself where religions were twisted to fit with the people's agendas.

Perhaps this is why Avatar of Destiny shares so much parallels with Pure Vanilla in terms of appearance:

Perhaps that is why there are so many similarities down to the very eyelashes he has:

Perhaps this is the reason why even the waffle cone architecture and the Chapel itself is that similar to the Pure Vanillian one.

Because it was modelled after it.

Down to the light symbols that hung above the original.

Perhaps a lot of Vanillian descendants joined the Order... In order to preserve what little they had of their cultural roots now that their very religious head is gone with no heirs.

This was their ultimate way to carry on his teachings and even Witch worshipping ideology

Perhaps this is why Doughael's ultimate goal to complete AOD for that is their twisted ideological view of Pure Vanilla Cookie whom they have deemed as their God, their symbol, their inspiration, their Avatar.

All of this is to carry on what they believe PV would be happy with

This is why I think Pure Vanilla Cookie may not just have past ties with the Order or the founding members of it like Doughbael but this whole cult may be centred around him and his words to the point of worshipping him and reviving him.

Could Healer Cookie or well...Pure Vanilla Cookie have come back to life because Doughbael and his order's sacrifices? That is why they kept visiting him even during such time and look at knowingly? Could AOD be a dark secret of Pure Vanilla Cookie that he has hid purposely?

Was his revivation from the dead, the reason he lost his memories? Or could it be he CHOSE to? Is that why the light of truth asked him if he understood "HIS consequences of HIS actions"?

Could it be that Pure Vanilla Cookie eventually learnt how he became alive again and that despair of how lives costed that transgression of nature itself....is what led him to erase his memories himself? Just so he doesn't have to face the truth anymore?

Perhaps that is the reason why...the moment he was awakened by the light of truth itself...he calls him worthless and a failure to save lives of everyone including his friends?

Could Pure Vanilla Cookie be aware of the Order but has kept his mouth shut just to not relive the pain?

Could it be that Doughael is aware of his feelings? But he doesn't care and will carry on his "holy mission" regardless? Either way, all of this is a theory.

A CRK THEORY!!

Thanks for reading!!

Honestly given the update I'd like to say a few thigns

First things first, white lily cookies separation!

This character is so brief that one might not think about it, however I do have it in mind that this Tower keeper had purposely reminded pure vanilla and white lily of the riddle in order to push Lily to make a decision sooner, rather than later as originally intended. I do believe it was a good decision for her to go off on her own, as we all know that pure vanilla is quite lost on the topic of dark enchantress vs lily- at this very time we are unsure if truthless recluse is a further repressed version or a version that has somewhat accepted it. Furthermore, if truthless recluse is a shard/illusion I do feel it may defeat a lot of storyline purpose, and do hope that it is truly a pure vanilla or part of him that has since transformed.

As for this sprite - I will not lie this is not the Sprite I was expecting to be edited for beast eyes! I totally expected the mental breakdown Sprite. I've seen a few say that this might not be pure vanilla as Shadow milk is tampering with memories- however!!!

Part of the tactic is to put pure vanilla in situations so that he may react himself in order for shadow milk to place the narrative that he will become just as bad as him. He can use these reactions and insecurities against pure vanilla- after all he poked at pure vanilla on the matter of Lily becoming dark enchantress. That she may have been more qualified to wield the power of Truth regardless, using pure vanilla's self perceived failures as the device.

This one's a little peculiar, I have a few ideas here.

Step one, I feel I should clarify if it's not already obvious that the implication of pure vanilla being Shadow milk is not a literal one~but one that works in tandem with the ladder truth of the story. Much like Shadow milk, pure vanilla does lie! Even if Shadow milk used it for his own game, pure vanilla is self-aware enough to recognize that he too has lied so that cookies may find a sweeter world. Even if it's about himself, or about the situation at hand regardless if it was for comfort it is always dug him into a hole and has even gotten him in trouble with friends. He too is somebody that has been shown to be skilled tactically- it is very reasonable to say that beyond the soul jam this was the sub-context shadow milk was bothering pure vanilla about back in episode 2 of beast yeast, "the biggest liar" as a means to place on pv.

Now let's talk about the sheer silent terror that Truthless recluse is bc I can't express enough how unnerving he could be.

Throughout the entire time, fortune teller cookie still kept a rather calm demeanor. Keeping pure vanillas soft spoken attitude and quick thinking when it comes to help- even when faced with his current self. He was silent, he was an observer and he did it without much hassle showing how cold and calculating fortune teller cookie operates. It's a different type of imposing presence than Shadow milk but I would imagine it isn't any less cold.

It does not seem that shadow milk had given him any power boost either, rather that he was holding back the first time gingerbrave and Co fought him. This is a character who is making moves with precision bearing a frigid expression not at all like the warmth that the characters have come to know. The safety that was pure vanilla cookie has been ripped out from under Earth bread at this point, as for a large majority he has somehow remained the catalyst/nexus for a lot of progress events in the main story..

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I don't have a screenshot of this part, but I do remember golden cheese appearing next to clotted cream in the Republic! I do feel that shadow milk had used the likeness of such figures to instill what may have been a previous anxiety of pure vanillas. Especially towards golden cheese, whom seeks comfort in the fact that he has experienced the same events regarding his kingdom. It shows that for pure vanilla there's always been a confliction and form of denial regarding Lily- losing the trust of everybody he has put every effort into protecting is definitely a huge fear.

I'd also like to point out in case some were confused, the doubt pv has of his power being Shadow Milks is not merely a ownership conflict despite the wording!!!!!! I can already smell the misinterpretations.

It's that everything pure vanilla has worked through was only really lent to him, his skills and anything else that may connect to the soul jam has created a permanent tether to the ladder: making it near impossible to escape. Even from episode 2, Shadow milk has set up the very open paranoia of forever watching pure vanilla- it's a consistency so we cannot say for sure that this part is a lie!! After all, in the developer commentary live stream it stated that shadow milk is more incomprehensible than the other beasts- and just unlike the other beasts his relationship with pure vanilla and the way their soul jam works is entirely different.

Pure vanilla is aware that now that shadow milk has been there the entire time, he needed to be extra careful. Now with this vision he feels that he can't use it at all unless he wants to bring danger to the cookies he cares for- damned if he does and damned if he doesn't! As if the soul jam attached to him is nothing but a tracking device with a chain.

Just like the countless appearances of Shadow milk you can only really go off of consistencies in a world of lies. One of these consistencies is the idea that pure vanilla is more connected to the other-realm/dark side of the moon then your typical cookie. It's hard to say if he inherently came from the realm, like some sort of magic birth such as candy apple but the fact that shadow milk left it so open ended leaves it as a possibility-

NOW. I will not be showing the awakened spoilers, as I am aware they are about and circling. For those who wish not to see it, I will not show it! However I will talk about a few details that I will keep for the sake of selective obscurity as I do believe that the pure vanilla Nation won💀

We all remember the theories?? Hell, even with the connections to moonlight and keys. Y'all he's gorgeous. I cannot WAIT until he gets patched in. It also seems that some of truthless recluse stayed! Hinting to the idea that pure vanilla did not escape unscathed and reinforcing the narrative that being somewhat more intertwined with Shadow milk is not a lie. That pure vanilla will eventually gravitate towards a different balance, Fun things!